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04/28/2014

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David Marjanović

That makes plenty of sense – except: why would French [o] be borrowed as [ɔː]? Was the word borrowed before Dutch [o] developed?

PhoeniX

Hmm, I wonder. At the time of writing this post I assumed the French vowel was the same as the Dutch one, but I think you're right.

So new hypothesis: It is not the vowel quality we are replicating, but the vowel length, and because the only long o-like vowel we know is the one in front of the /r/, that's the one we're using, which makes the resulting intrusive /r/ even easier to understand!

David Marjanović

Hm. Why would the o in rose be interpreted as long?

PhoeniX

Because stressed /o/ in closed syllables is pronounced long:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology#Length

It's not phonemically long, but phonetically it certainly is.

David Marjanović

Ah. I'm used to less conservative pronunciations, where nothing is pronounced long – the Parisians in particular simply speak too fast to leave any time for that.

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